Stage6 Italian Open - awesome Video

[Thilo_SA]

Hi,

just back from a great weekend in Latina (near Rome). We changed the teamleader from Christofolini to Costantino Racing Team, and with Blando we found a new succesfull rider joined our Team. Now the official Stage6 teams is Mauro Montagna, Diego Calonaci & Alessandro Blando. The new reengineered engines from Filippo Costantino performs as hell. If you have seen the 1.race of Stage6 cup in Ottobiano, Russo from the Malossi Team beats everyone. The 2nd race the Stage6 team already performs almost the same. The 3.rd race in Latina, Stage6 team races with a bang.
Watch the videos:

1.run - Open Expert
http://www.scootertuning.tv/view_vid...e=&category=mr

2.run - Open Expert
http://www.scootertuning.tv/view_vid...e=&category=mr

Discussion after the race. The guy in the yellow shirt couldn`t believe the performance.
http://www.scootertuning.tv/view_vid...e=&category=mr

[Tom.#86]

How much horsepower does those scooters have than?

[Thilo_SA]

Around 23,5 BHP. We tested Massimos 7T Malossi engine on our Dyno, and it was 24 BHP, but very peaky. The Stage6 has a little less power but much better band.

[Pronk]

And that is with a stage6 racing? Not the R/T? If that's so I have a lot of work to do I guess

[Thilo_SA]

right.

[Pronk]

Is that with a R1400 exhaust or are they allowed to use other exhaust like team2004 etc. ? And also with a 19mm carb?

[Sander]

Holy crap..

We're looking for four horses right now.... (if the open70 cup has the same rules as the Dutch riders..).

I remember from the ISDM @ Spa a year ago, the rules are a little bit different from the Dutch SBO ones...

[Pronk]

That's impossible Sander, I think these are hp's aren't measured @ the backwheel. I can believe that we aren't there yet...but I know for sure that they don't have 4HP more then that we have right now

But offcourse I do believe that this thing goes like hell!

[Thilo_SA]

The Italian open expert cup is limited to 19mm carbs.
The engines Costantino built are fitted with R/T crank with 85mm rod, Stage6 racing cylinder and Asso piston (same as Polini Evolution), R1400 exhaust out of the box, 19mm Dellorto carb, complete overworked, Stage6 R/T ignition (curve #1), Overrange and gears from Malossi, Valve right now Malossi.. but soon exchanged by the new R/T valve. The crankcase and cylinder engineering is brilliant. Never seen such a good work. The head chamber is selfmade.

[Thilo_SA]

Originally Posted by Pronk

That's impossible Sander, I think these are hp's aren't measured @ the backwheel. I can believe that we aren't there yet...but I know for sure that they don't have 4HP more then that we have right now

But offcourse I do believe that this thing goes like hell!

BHP = Break Horse Power. Messured on a P4. The engines we build and use on IDSM are around 22 BHP. Costantino add another 1,5 Also for me unbelieveable... But if you compare his work on the engines, you know it is possible. Compare the 1.race in Ottobiano and the last race videos from Latina. find them on scootertuning.tv

[Pronk]

i've just seen the movies...offcourse I do believe what you are saying, no doubt about that. That thing is real fast! The p4 dyno is that the same as the dyno that you have @ SA? Because at that dyno I had 13 hp with my 50cc AC mhr with a 14mm carb 2 years ago (tested that with freddy)

When I was back in the Netherlands we tested the same racer on another dyno and there it had 11,5 hp. So there is a little difference then. But then even though we still miss like 2 hp

[Tom.#86]

How bizar 23,5 hp. Damn we have work to do .

[ruud.]

stage6 cilinder heeft ook wel een boel speelruimte, vraag me af hoeveel in de cup daar nou eigenlijk gebruik van maken...

[John]

Damn wat gaan die dingen hard zeg...

[Pronk]

Would you guys please keep it in English so that Thilo also understands what you are saying?

[Thilo_SA]

thanks

[Sander]

Originally Posted by ruud.

stage6 cilinder heeft ook wel een boel speelruimte, vraag me af hoeveel in de cup daar nou eigenlijk gebruik van maken...

There really is enough space to change the both timings alot... I think there really is enough space to change a lot into the cilinder...

But otherwise that could also be a problem.....

[Vasco]

How many RPM?

[haman]

i would like to see a chart of an italian racer's power ...

for me it's hard to believe that we stick 3 years of development into a cylinder and that the italians make a faster one on there first season

[Thilo_SA]

The Italien Stage6 Team (Montagna, Calonaci & Blando) will take part on the SBO 70cc Open Cup on 10th of August in Veldhoven. Hope to see you there !

[Vasco]

Then you must go on a Tovami.

[Sander]

Haman..

I think the italian racers will be able to make a Dynojet-run on the XSH-tuning Tovami-dyno to prove their much hp's...

I didn't believed it either, untill Freddy told me its absolutly true... There is a way of tuning the cilinder will make that much power... I also want to know the trick, so I have to test multiple things myself to check & gain more power.

So... Lock yourself this summer, tune, test & make research for the same & more power like the italian boys!!!!

Originally Posted by Thilo_SA

The Italien Stage6 Team (Montagna, Calonaci & Blando) will take part on the SBO 70cc Open Cup on 10th of August in Veldhoven. Hope to see you there !

Haman is riding #47 @ stage6 cup, so i think you will meet him in Veldhoven Thilo

[Gomer_pyle]

Don't forget, air pressure, humidity and temp difference in the netherlands and italy.

[Pronk]

SAE

[Gomer_pyle]

Originally Posted by Pronk

SAE

Even in nederlands, Als je blok goed loopt in italie en je komt dan hier denk dat je dan wel even kan gaan sleutelen.

[Pronk]

A good engineer never leaves home without a wheather/forecast display when there is a raceweekend, no mather what the changes are, just fit a new mainjet in the carb, and the power is back. I don't think that will be a problem for our italian friends

The fact is that those guys wil give our top5 a hard time no matter howmany hp they will have with the s6 engines. The 1st race in lelystad rick van Rijssen also was competitive with the s6 racer from Cunoh in the top5 of the open70 while cunoh most of the time drives in de stage6 B. So maybe they do have 2hp more or less than our open70 racers...it's hard to see that difference on the track.

That's why I hope they will make a run on the tovami

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Ja,maar een beetje goede monteur heeft een weerstation bij zich...ff ander sproeiertje erin op basis van de veranderingen vd weersomstandigheden en het is weer in orde.

Feit is...die gasten gaan echt wel hard straks Ik ben iig er benieuwd of ze qua power mee kunnen komen.

Maar....eigenlijk is er nogsteeds weinig over te zeggen, totdat de dingen daadwerkelijk op de bank staan om het vermogen te showen..... RvR ging ook Rete-hard rond op de S6-brommer van Cunoh, die er zelf mee in de B-klasse rijd..

Al met al, vergelijk zegt weinig, harde pk's wel.... Al rijden de dingen van JRS ook met 20.XX pk rond in de A-klasse....

[Tinne]

Originally Posted by Gomer_pyle

Even in nederlands, Als je blok goed loopt in italie en je komt dan hier denk dat je dan wel even kan gaan sleutelen.

A moment in dutch. If the engine is running ok in Italy and later you`re here i think u will have to retune it.

[Pronk]

I forgot that this was the english section...i'll translate my post in a moment.