FHT poject

CIH racing · 08-03-2007, 06:15

Well so many people are asking me how it is comming along, so i wil give some updates as well as alot of pics. Just takes so dam long to post pics, GRRR!.. After this project is done then i will start to build my personal bike that has been sitting in wait for 5 years. I have had the fabrizi kits for too long and the dust was getting to me. I got all the parts back in dec. 05 so they might have better stuff by now? I will let you know when my new order gets here next week.
This bike is a SMC and is based on the minirelli engine to a "T" its lighter then most Italian models, but not as light as Japan Jogs. The bike is nto going to be all decked out and fancy. The customer requested the bike keep a stock look to it and low key for street use. My bike will be more extreme when its done. Give me feed back as you wish. The bike is done and running, but no info on performance yet, still setting up and tuning.

CIH racing · 08-03-2007, 06:45

CIH racing · 08-03-2007, 06:50

sorry so many pics, just helps to cut down on the questions. I have more pics but not so great. Also i am in the process of pulling that engine in favor of a SMC 50cc engine that i clearenced out for the FHT crank. As of those last pics, i originally used the SMC 100cc cases that already come clearenced for a larger crank. The thing with the first engine ( 100cc cases) is that the clearence from FHT crank to case was over 2mm diameter. I figured that the low cas preasure would be ok, but as of now the engine revs too high ( 14,500 or more) and i want there to be more torque. So i am now going in favor of the 50cc cases clearenced to a .5mm diameter around the FHT crank. I will post new pics of this case soon. Its already done, just needs to be installed. I did a special trick to only clearence enough for the rod bottom end. So its like a chanel now and keeps the case preasure higher. We'll see how it runs shortly compared to the current engine.

CIH racing · 08-03-2007, 06:57

heres the low down on whats on the bike so far

FHT 47.6 mm race bore
FHT 47mm crankshaft with tungston inserts
FHT full race exhaughst ( screams)
CIH full case porting
Custom CIH intake
28mm Dellorto carb
V-force reed cage
Polini 9 weight new pulley evolution
Polini 2-G evo clutch
Polini gear set
Polini evo rear speed drive w/ belt
kunda digital race igniton system with lights
daytona water temp guage
Koso digital trip/speed meter
and some other little goodies, but keeping them secret

Thanks for checking it out. Will let you guys know how it goes with time

rydah · 08-03-2007, 07:29

looking good homie.

Big B NRG · 08-03-2007, 08:08

Is that cylinder stock? Big exhaustport!

Did you you like the finish quality from the factory? Or is it blue printed?

SaTaNaSsO · 08-03-2007, 12:38

Holy sh.... :O
very nice work.... but the manifold is too long... u can take the FHT manifold for minarelli and make a better subframe...

trueOverrev · 08-03-2007, 20:58

@CIH WELL DONE bro. can you post more picture of the cylinder kit. Im really interested with the FHT kit. hows the quality of the kit, the finishing, and the nikasil plating. if you have some dynos too. that would be great.

BUT in Summary great project bro!

CIH racing · 08-03-2007, 23:46

once i get the bike tuned and on the road more, i will try to dyno it. Also FHT as many know is massive ports, and unreal rev, but the finish leaves some to be desired. The ports are all stock, i did not mess with them YET

hehe.. This bike is for a customer, but when i build mine soon i will do all the fien port work. If you see the early pics, i show the difference from the untouched ports and the ones i cleaned up. As far as timing goes i did not alter it. Also the plating is fine, and i am already having long "break in hours" over 200 miles on the bore, so its holding up fine.
I have not raced it head to head with my full Polini EVO bike yet, but it feels faster so far??? once i get the tuning time, i will let everyone know how it turns out. I am sure this bike will fly with a little more work

hehe
Thanks for all the comments,, keep em comming and let me know more

Oh why do you think the manifold is too long? What do you feel would be gained with a shorter one?

Big B NRG · 09-03-2007, 09:18

More HP at top RPM.

brambomb · 12-03-2007, 19:34

nice picture on the back ground

and a nice scoot to

Alphamaennchen · 13-03-2007, 23:23

nice engine
is the exhaust ok? i hear the exhaust is a really sh***

hp? rpm? dyno run?

Petrik. · 13-03-2007, 23:28

that whole kit isnt pretty good straight from the box. max score ive heard is 22hp, maybe anyone can confirm that?

Alphamaennchen · 13-03-2007, 23:39

22ps holy shitttttttt

is not really ok for a engine kit with 88ccm 47mm hub ect.

CIH racing · 14-03-2007, 00:39

I have not done any dyno runs yet, but once i do i will be sure to post them. I can tell you however that the kit is the SH_T!!!!! i have built so many engines over my 17 years of tuning and Fabrizi always has had some of the most powerful kits. This one being no exception. I would put the power ahead of my full tuned EVO kit bike on another post here. Take a look at what i am running and i am sure you can add up the potential of this bike. The transmission items alone are some of the best avaialble.
I know with out dyno and stats its hard to believe the power this bike makes, but its only because not enough people run it to know so far. I think this bike or better my personal one after this project is done with get people talking.
I will post some new pics soon.
The pipe does work
The carb is big enough
The crank is perfect

the cc = 84cc (83.6cc) bore is 47.6mm and stroke is 47mm

Hope it helps some to understand this project?

CIH racing · 14-03-2007, 00:43

this kit is a special one, its not in the catalog even. You have to custom order it. I have several of them and will be building them all as time permits. I dont think the HP and word out is on this same kit. Fabrizi makes several kits. The key on this one is the crank. Balance and matirials all play key rolls in its setup. The bore port sizes are bigger then almost anything available. Yes 2F4R is fast and i love that bore as well, but i am just posting this project to get people aware of FHT. I think its rare to see full FHT project on here. I have alot of project bikes that i have built in the past and some new ones in the works.

CIH racing · 24-03-2007, 06:44

will me installing the new motor soon. I am sure that this time i will be getting closer to the results i wanted. This time the case clearence will be tighter and i am sure send the HP higher. The case porting i did to this engine is more extensive then last time. I will put some pics up as i install it.

Robbert. · 24-03-2007, 11:38

I think that most people doesn't drive Fabrizi because of the low hp of the normal kit, malossi speeds puts the same or sometimes hp out then the Fabrizi's in combination with the high pricetags of the cylinder-kit and exhaust and the bad finishing of the cylinder

But I'm very curious how many hp this kit will put out then, because you don't see these kits often and because of that exhaust.. It's still the most exhaust I've ever seen

It's just gorgeous

Good luck!

betanick · 31-03-2007, 17:18

nice tuningwork!

SaTaNaSsO · 31-03-2007, 18:23

Here in italy a friend of mine, that have a scooter and tuning shop, reached to have 24 ps from a Fabrizi Kit...but wasn't a normal kit, it was tuned by Fabrizi and the carters are prepared by him... it was fully Fabrizi and Malossi transmission, but he changed the ignition from Leonelli (Fabrizi) to Polini and then was really ok...
Fabrizi is very expensive and u must have so much experience to get the right result from this parts...

Scooterspez[MP] · 31-03-2007, 18:33

Hi! Nice setup but Fabrizi isnt good. The quality is bad and you get not enough power with out a good tuning. Your Tuning at the cylinder and the engine are not good. The Flow can be better at you engine.

Sorry for my bad enlish

mhrdna · 09-05-2007, 16:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooterspez[MP]

Hi! Nice setup but Fabrizi isnt good. The quality is bad and you get not enough power with out a good tuning. Your Tuning at the cylinder and the engine are not good. The Flow can be better at you engine.

Sorry for my bad enlish

OK.... i think that it's very smart if you could see all that from a photo.

Rem0n · 09-05-2007, 17:47

Really nice project, I would love to see some dyno results from your bike.

K.C · 09-05-2007, 20:10

Arent you gonna even everything out? Especially the carter and the exhuast port look worse than sandblasting! Should be some nice performance still hiding in that engine

Big B NRG · 10-05-2007, 08:58

Polished bling bling blocks don't give more power.

K.C · 10-05-2007, 13:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big B NRG

Polished bling bling blocks don't give more power.

Not talking about high polished bling bling, just even'ed out and smoothed. Looks very rough on the pictures.
And you could match the exhaust flange to the exhaust port

EDIT: And the tranfers in the cillinder

Big B NRG · 10-05-2007, 13:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by K.C

Not talking about high polished bling bling, just even'ed out and smoothed. Looks very rough on the pictures.
And you could match the exhaust flange to the exhaust port

EDIT: And the tranfers in the cillinder

Who says matching exhaustflange gives more power? I have seen examples where unmatched port/flange preformed better as matched ones...

About the rough surface, that also doesn't really matter. For the eye it's nicer, but for the HP it doesn;t matter.

mt5-ronken · 10-05-2007, 13:59

I don't like the FHT kit but it is nice to see people try it

About the rough vs smooth surface, turbulence is bad for flow but good for fuel atomisation...
Hard to say which way will give more power, a little bit of both may be the best solution?

butch-182 · 10-05-2007, 17:45

Well imagine a 2 peices of glass, one normal, and one frosted. Both have water on them, You will see that the peice with the frost on will travel faster due to less resistance, works the same way with metal & flow etc. Due to the high polish on some cylinders, the gases stick rather than flow causing drag.. So Big B is correct, Bling cyls wont perform any better, but smoothing them out a little will increase the chances of a better flow & power

CIH racing · 11-05-2007, 05:24

guys thanks for the remarks, and sure i can make things smoother, but i have found from years of expierence that smoother prior to entering the cylinder does not help! At the exhaughst port its mirror finish and thats not even that critical. The reason the bore does not match the exhaughst flange is the design of Fabrizi, and Mr. Fabrizi said himself to me, "Not to touch or match" NO NO NO!!! he said, hahaha, so what ever??? None the less the bike has not moved since its original post and build.
Today i am completing engine number 2 using the 50cc case clearenced out ot the 47.6 crank,,opposed to th eold motor being a 100cc block and too great a clearence for the 47.6 mm crank ( lower case preasure). Tonight i will install the higher case preasure set up with the same porting and same cylinder and see what happens

Much talk on here that Fabirizi is poor quality, but its all in the tuner, the quality is fine. They use the same pistons and Polini and Malossi. I have been running Polini and Fabrizi parts for over 14 years with no problems.

I will see how the set up goes over the next few weeks. Also put some new pics up of the new cases. I am also going from the current 21mm black Delorto to a 28mm Dellorto.

08-03-2007, 06:15	#1 (permalink)
CIH racing Cycle Imports Hawaii	FHT poject Well so many people are asking me how it is comming along, so i wil give some updates as well as alot of pics. Just takes so dam long to post pics, GRRR!.. After this project is done then i will start to build my personal bike that has been sitting in wait for 5 years. I have had the fabrizi kits for too long and the dust was getting to me. I got all the parts back in dec. 05 so they might have better stuff by now? I will let you know when my new order gets here next week. This bike is a SMC and is based on the minirelli engine to a "T" its lighter then most Italian models, but not as light as Japan Jogs. The bike is nto going to be all decked out and fancy. The customer requested the bike keep a stock look to it and low key for street use. My bike will be more extreme when its done. Give me feed back as you wish. The bike is done and running, but no info on performance yet, still setting up and tuning. __________________ cycle imports of hawaii/ George

08-03-2007, 06:45	#2 (permalink)
CIH racing Cycle Imports Hawaii	__________________ cycle imports of hawaii/ George

08-03-2007, 06:50	#3 (permalink)
CIH racing Cycle Imports Hawaii	sorry so many pics, just helps to cut down on the questions. I have more pics but not so great. Also i am in the process of pulling that engine in favor of a SMC 50cc engine that i clearenced out for the FHT crank. As of those last pics, i originally used the SMC 100cc cases that already come clearenced for a larger crank. The thing with the first engine ( 100cc cases) is that the clearence from FHT crank to case was over 2mm diameter. I figured that the low cas preasure would be ok, but as of now the engine revs too high ( 14,500 or more) and i want there to be more torque. So i am now going in favor of the 50cc cases clearenced to a .5mm diameter around the FHT crank. I will post new pics of this case soon. Its already done, just needs to be installed. I did a special trick to only clearence enough for the rod bottom end. So its like a chanel now and keeps the case preasure higher. We'll see how it runs shortly compared to the current engine. __________________ cycle imports of hawaii/ George

08-03-2007, 06:57	#4 (permalink)
CIH racing Cycle Imports Hawaii	heres the low down on whats on the bike so far FHT 47.6 mm race bore FHT 47mm crankshaft with tungston inserts FHT full race exhaughst ( screams) CIH full case porting Custom CIH intake 28mm Dellorto carb V-force reed cage Polini 9 weight new pulley evolution Polini 2-G evo clutch Polini gear set Polini evo rear speed drive w/ belt kunda digital race igniton system with lights daytona water temp guage Koso digital trip/speed meter and some other little goodies, but keeping them secret Thanks for checking it out. Will let you guys know how it goes with time __________________ cycle imports of hawaii/ George

08-03-2007, 12:38	#7 (permalink)
SaTaNaSsO Registered User	Holy sh.... :O very nice work.... but the manifold is too long... u can take the FHT manifold for minarelli and make a better subframe... __________________ @SaTaNaSsO@ www.scooter-project.net http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h1...sO/banner3.gif

08-03-2007, 07:29	#5 (permalink)
rydah Registered User	looking good homie.

08-03-2007, 08:08	#6 (permalink)
Big B NRG Need tuning? PM!	Is that cylinder stock? Big exhaustport! Did you you like the finish quality from the factory? Or is it blue printed?

08-03-2007, 20:58	#8 (permalink)
trueOverrev Registered User	@CIH WELL DONE bro. can you post more picture of the cylinder kit. Im really interested with the FHT kit. hows the quality of the kit, the finishing, and the nikasil plating. if you have some dynos too. that would be great. BUT in Summary great project bro!

08-03-2007, 23:46	#9 (permalink)
CIH racing Cycle Imports Hawaii	once i get the bike tuned and on the road more, i will try to dyno it. Also FHT as many know is massive ports, and unreal rev, but the finish leaves some to be desired. The ports are all stock, i did not mess with them YET hehe.. This bike is for a customer, but when i build mine soon i will do all the fien port work. If you see the early pics, i show the difference from the untouched ports and the ones i cleaned up. As far as timing goes i did not alter it. Also the plating is fine, and i am already having long "break in hours" over 200 miles on the bore, so its holding up fine. I have not raced it head to head with my full Polini EVO bike yet, but it feels faster so far??? once i get the tuning time, i will let everyone know how it turns out. I am sure this bike will fly with a little more work hehe Thanks for all the comments,, keep em comming and let me know more Oh why do you think the manifold is too long? What do you feel would be gained with a shorter one? __________________ cycle imports of hawaii/ George

09-03-2007, 09:18	#10 (permalink)
Big B NRG Need tuning? PM!	More HP at top RPM.

12-03-2007, 19:34	#11 (permalink)
brambomb Poly Freak My scooter: ScooterbaseID	nice picture on the back ground and a nice scoot to __________________ Tanks Brambomb Dislycties

13-03-2007, 23:23	#12 (permalink)
Alphamaennchen 32hp on 186cc no NX	nice engine is the exhaust ok? i hear the exhaust is a really sh*** hp? rpm? dyno run?

13-03-2007, 23:28	#13 (permalink)
Petrik. Patrick.	that whole kit isnt pretty good straight from the box. max score ive heard is 22hp, maybe anyone can confirm that? __________________ '90 Prelude 2.0

13-03-2007, 23:39	#14 (permalink)
Alphamaennchen 32hp on 186cc no NX	22ps holy shitttttttt is not really ok for a engine kit with 88ccm 47mm hub ect.

14-03-2007, 00:39	#15 (permalink)
CIH racing Cycle Imports Hawaii	I have not done any dyno runs yet, but once i do i will be sure to post them. I can tell you however that the kit is the SH_T!!!!! i have built so many engines over my 17 years of tuning and Fabrizi always has had some of the most powerful kits. This one being no exception. I would put the power ahead of my full tuned EVO kit bike on another post here. Take a look at what i am running and i am sure you can add up the potential of this bike. The transmission items alone are some of the best avaialble. I know with out dyno and stats its hard to believe the power this bike makes, but its only because not enough people run it to know so far. I think this bike or better my personal one after this project is done with get people talking. I will post some new pics soon. The pipe does work The carb is big enough The crank is perfect the cc = 84cc (83.6cc) bore is 47.6mm and stroke is 47mm Hope it helps some to understand this project? __________________ cycle imports of hawaii/ George

31-03-2007, 17:18	#19 (permalink)
betanick #ftc evolutionark	nice tuningwork! __________________ #FTC Tuning

14-03-2007, 00:43	#16 (permalink)
CIH racing Cycle Imports Hawaii	this kit is a special one, its not in the catalog even. You have to custom order it. I have several of them and will be building them all as time permits. I dont think the HP and word out is on this same kit. Fabrizi makes several kits. The key on this one is the crank. Balance and matirials all play key rolls in its setup. The bore port sizes are bigger then almost anything available. Yes 2F4R is fast and i love that bore as well, but i am just posting this project to get people aware of FHT. I think its rare to see full FHT project on here. I have alot of project bikes that i have built in the past and some new ones in the works. __________________ cycle imports of hawaii/ George

24-03-2007, 06:44	#17 (permalink)
CIH racing Cycle Imports Hawaii	will me installing the new motor soon. I am sure that this time i will be getting closer to the results i wanted. This time the case clearence will be tighter and i am sure send the HP higher. The case porting i did to this engine is more extensive then last time. I will put some pics up as i install it. __________________ cycle imports of hawaii/ George

24-03-2007, 11:38	#18 (permalink)
Robbert. Registered User My scooter: ScooterbaseID	I think that most people doesn't drive Fabrizi because of the low hp of the normal kit, malossi speeds puts the same or sometimes hp out then the Fabrizi's in combination with the high pricetags of the cylinder-kit and exhaust and the bad finishing of the cylinder But I'm very curious how many hp this kit will put out then, because you don't see these kits often and because of that exhaust.. It's still the most exhaust I've ever seen It's just gorgeous Good luck!

31-03-2007, 18:23	#20 (permalink)
SaTaNaSsO Registered User	Here in italy a friend of mine, that have a scooter and tuning shop, reached to have 24 ps from a Fabrizi Kit...but wasn't a normal kit, it was tuned by Fabrizi and the carters are prepared by him... it was fully Fabrizi and Malossi transmission, but he changed the ignition from Leonelli (Fabrizi) to Polini and then was really ok... Fabrizi is very expensive and u must have so much experience to get the right result from this parts... __________________ @SaTaNaSsO@ www.scooter-project.net http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h1...sO/banner3.gif

31-03-2007, 18:33	#21 (permalink)
Scooterspez[MP] Registered User	Hi! Nice setup but Fabrizi isnt good. The quality is bad and you get not enough power with out a good tuning. Your Tuning at the cylinder and the engine are not good. The Flow can be better at you engine. Sorry for my bad enlish __________________ !Germany is coming! cTo

09-05-2007, 17:47	#23 (permalink)
Rem0n Registered User	Really nice project, I would love to see some dyno results from your bike.

09-05-2007, 20:10	#24 (permalink)
K.C Danish tuner!	Arent you gonna even everything out? Especially the carter and the exhuast port look worse than sandblasting! Should be some nice performance still hiding in that engine

10-05-2007, 08:58	#25 (permalink)
Big B NRG Need tuning? PM!	Polished bling bling blocks don't give more power.

10-05-2007, 13:59	#28 (permalink)
mt5-ronken Registered User	I don't like the FHT kit but it is nice to see people try it About the rough vs smooth surface, turbulence is bad for flow but good for fuel atomisation... Hard to say which way will give more power, a little bit of both may be the best solution?

10-05-2007, 17:45	#29 (permalink)
butch-182 Killerteam Racing	Well imagine a 2 peices of glass, one normal, and one frosted. Both have water on them, You will see that the peice with the frost on will travel faster due to less resistance, works the same way with metal & flow etc. Due to the high polish on some cylinders, the gases stick rather than flow causing drag.. So Big B is correct, Bling cyls wont perform any better, but smoothing them out a little will increase the chances of a better flow & power __________________ Mhr Team 2 Aprilia Sr KillerTeam Racing

11-05-2007, 05:24	#30 (permalink)
CIH racing Cycle Imports Hawaii	guys thanks for the remarks, and sure i can make things smoother, but i have found from years of expierence that smoother prior to entering the cylinder does not help! At the exhaughst port its mirror finish and thats not even that critical. The reason the bore does not match the exhaughst flange is the design of Fabrizi, and Mr. Fabrizi said himself to me, "Not to touch or match" NO NO NO!!! he said, hahaha, so what ever??? None the less the bike has not moved since its original post and build. Today i am completing engine number 2 using the 50cc case clearenced out ot the 47.6 crank,,opposed to th eold motor being a 100cc block and too great a clearence for the 47.6 mm crank ( lower case preasure). Tonight i will install the higher case preasure set up with the same porting and same cylinder and see what happens Much talk on here that Fabirizi is poor quality, but its all in the tuner, the quality is fine. They use the same pistons and Polini and Malossi. I have been running Polini and Fabrizi parts for over 14 years with no problems. I will see how the set up goes over the next few weeks. Also put some new pics up of the new cases. I am also going from the current 21mm black Delorto to a 28mm Dellorto. __________________ cycle imports of hawaii/ George